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October 17, 2008

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Please explain Synchronous/Asynchronous data transmission?
I would be very greatful for a simple exlanation. Im an IT student and am researching. Im doing an assignment on communications technology. Also if you have any information on protocols, baud rate or Duplex/Simplex that would be cool

Jon Banquer

"SolidEdge’s ST technology is not new technology to the industry as many believe that it is (refer to many posts from longtime users in the industry)."

Without a doubt Solid Edge with ST is new technology. Live Rules is what's new in Solid Edge with ST.

What makes Solid Edge with ST so compelling is a much better user interface that blows the doors off the typical low-level implementation of Move Face.

A combination of history based modeling and what Solid Edge with ST is doing is useful only until ST (or a variant of ST) matures and gets more powerful.

IronCAD has made every marketing mistake in the book. IronCAD has refused to take on SolidWorks and Pro/E head to head and slug it out forcing potential buyers to understand how bad history based modeling is at working with non-native solids and with trying to understand someone else's design intent.

IronCAD could have been a much bigger player if IronCAD had been marketed correctly and I see no sign of life in that area, Cary.


Cary O'Connor

SolidEdge’s ST technology is not new technology to the industry as many believe that it is (refer to many posts from longtime users in the industry). IRONCAD has had this ability to support history and non-history since 1998 when it released. We do give credit that SolidEdge has improved the UI to some of the commands in the non-history mode which we are looking to improve in IRONCAD for our release in 2009. However, this post has mentioned an interesting question about the conversion of the entire model history to the ST type and the issues that it may present. Would the ability to support both history and non-history in a single structure be more powerful to the user? Meaning could you combine only the features necessary for the direct (non-history) modification while preserving the rest of the full history model that retains features relations and sketch information for editing. This would allow direct editing on imported data (no features), editing in a history structure model with parametrics, and editing on only the needed features of the history structure model while retaining the remaining features. Even if you are working on imported data or features that are converted to non-history, would it be useful to convert some of the data back to a history based feature? Sure enough this is what IRONCAD supports and has a patent protecting this capability single structure of both history and non-history features. If you are not familiar with IRONCAD capabilities, please visit www.ironcad.com and request for more information to get a tailored demonstration to see how the benefits will fit your needs.

Jon, you seem to have experience with SolidEdge’s ST and I would like to discuss with you how IRONCAD compares and differs from this technology. Please feel free to email me if you would like to discuss these differences.

Jon Banquer

"Or do i have to "convert" the models from history approach to direct approach (ST) without a way to get back ??"

You have this correct. Once you convert to using a Synchronous Technology approach your history is gone and you can't go back.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Ulrich Hanisch

It makes me curious to heard about ST the first time. I´ve imbibed the history based parametric approach with my mother's milk, because SWX was my first and is still my main CAD experience. So i was very anxious to learn more about ST. In the meantime, I´ve heard and read a little about ST, and there´s one big question, which maybe can be answered in this blog. Is there a way to switch back from ST to the standard way of modeling a PRT or ASM ?? Or do i have to "convert" the models from history approach to direct approach (ST) without a way to get back ?? It´s just because of this: if i want to convert my models, i can convert to the other, first shooting star in the "direct modeling season" as well. Or is SpaceClaim just a shooting comet ...

Ulrich Hanisch
Germany

Jon Banquer

Adam,

"Unfortunately, newbies may not fully appreciate the full power of ST, so Siemens ends up in a catch 22."

Your right.

Very aggressive and focused marketing targeted at SoildWorks and Pro/E failing miserably at working with non-native solids as well failing at collaboration is the only way Siemens is going to change the mentality that exists now.

Siemens shows now signs of doing what needs to be done to change how they market Solid Edge with ST.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA


Adam

Unfortunately, newbies may not fully appreciate the full power of ST, so Siemens ends up in a catch 22. The ones who get it, won't change, the ones who can start with it, don't get it.

R. Paul Waddington

Well Jon, I've done my bit for them: asked into a site today to quote on Inventor, I did, but suggested they look closely at Solid Edges Sync.Tech' before they go much further. As newbies to the 3D modelling world it might be a better place to start.
Lets see if the S E sales guys 'step-up to the plate'.

Jon Banquer

"Jon's 'downloadable' approach has a lot going for it so long as it is followed up by an attentive and helpful (not pushy)sales and support crew."

Paul,

I can assure you that they are attentive and not pushy when it comes to support.

The problem is they are not hard-hitting or confrontational when it comes to sales where PTC and SolidWorks are.

When it comes to sales of CAD I firmly believe you have to been pushy and confrontational with the customer or you don't win the account. No one wants to admit this but it's true and it's what is needed.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

R. Paul Waddington

I'm with you guys; Synchronous Technology, and similar methods definitely have a place in the 3D modelling space, but the trick is bringing it to peoples notice.

Jon's 'downloadable' approach has a lot going for it so long as it is followed up by an attentive and helpful (not pushy)sales and support crew.

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